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Speaker 1: So, first tell me a little bit about your game, what's going on, what are you-
Speaker 2: Okay. I'm about a 14, 15 handicap. My problem is when I'm playing well, I can hit the ball pretty solid but I don't take a divot.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think I'm losing lag and when I look at myself in the mirror and I video myself and there's no ball, I think I do pretty well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the swing doesn't look too bad, but when I put the ball there everything changes. (Learn how to fix this here.)
Speaker 1: You're the only person in the world that happens to.
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I had a book at home once and the title of the book was "It's the Damn Ball." A guy wrote a book how everyone you know, they're clipping dandelions and making beautiful swings and everything, you put the ball there.
Speaker 2: I've been playing a long time but on and off. I started when I was in my 40's, never took golf lessons. Before I started taking lessons, I was playing better than after I took the lessons.
Speaker 1: Also, you're the only one that says that's happened to them.
Speaker 2: I know. I was just swinging. They say, "No, you have to have the club here, then you have to have the club here, then you have to ... So I was trying to put the club where they told me to put the club.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it ends in tears usually.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was starting my orthopedic career, I had two kids so I didn't get a lot of chances to practice. Only now I've been retired 3 years. I'm still working, I'm still consulting and testifying in cases and stuff, so I don't get to practice as much as I like, but I don't know if I'm practicing the right things.
Speaker 2: I try to do the drills and I try, but when you've been doing it ... You know, you make 100,000 swings the wrong way and then you try to change it. I watched your video. 3,000 swings?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's 3 to 5,000 reps to build a new pathway.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a lot of time. I'm on a farm, we have to take care of the animals. We have horses, donkeys and stuff like that. It takes a lot of time.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm so glad you could come because what I'd like to do, I'd like to practice the right things so I'm not reinforcing the same mistakes all the time.
Speaker 1: So if today could be the best golf day you've ever had-
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: What would the end result be in an hour?
Speaker 2: I'd feel more confident that I'm doing the right things.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm gonna hit the ball better like that.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, it just depends. That's usually not the goal, right?
Speaker 2: [crosstalk 00:02:40] Right.
Speaker 1: The goal is to understand the pathway to improvement.
Speaker 2: [crosstalk 00:02:42] Correct.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that really matters to me. You have a pretty amazing background, you went to MIT.
Speaker 2: Right. I got my graduate degree there in electrical engineering. I had to do all the physics and metallurgy and biomechanics and then medical school. Because I was an engineer, I went to orthopedics.
Speaker 1: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: Cause orthopedics is basically putting people together.
Speaker 1: Exactly, mechanics.
Speaker 2: I was impressed with your surgery. I remember you posted your pictures online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a bunch.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I don't recommend breaking C1.
Speaker 2: But you were lucky.
Speaker 1: I was very lucky, I hear that a lot.
Speaker 2: I notice when you swing, your head kind of drifts to that side. I bet you have loss of rotation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about half. I'm fused at 1, 2 and 3. I did a video yesterday where we tried out these glasses that had a camera in them because we were on the course.
Speaker 2: Right
Speaker 1: They stink but you can see what I see at the top of my swing which is grass back over here.
Speaker 2: So you don't see the ball when you hit the ball.
Speaker 1: No, I see it when I hit it. I just don't see it after about right here. I lose it and then I got to the top of the swing and I catch it halfway down.
Speaker 2: I'd probably be better if I didn't see it at all.
Speaker 1: No, trust me. It's way harder this way. I don't like this way. It's the card I got. Let me watch you hit just a couple. Let's get them on on video. And then I want to see what's going on and we're gonna walk through everything and we're gonna get you where you need to be.
Speaker 2: Alright, the first few may not be representative.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that at all.
Speaker 1: You're going to be so excited. You have so much room to add distance with the way you're swinging right now.
Speaker 2: That would be good. Little fat. Little armsy.
Speaker 2: Is that enough?
Speaker 1: One more for me.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: One more.
Speaker 2: One more?
Speaker 2: See how I'm hitting a little behind the ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's very wide.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling I know why.
Speaker 1: Alright. Let's take a gander. Let's start with face on. Alright. Can you see that okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see it fine.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, at set up not too bad there. Not going to worry about too much stuff there but as we start going back.
Speaker 2: I'm not not turning.
Speaker 1: So, you takeaway. Takeaway's half way done right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah and I'm not turning.
Speaker 1: Takeaway's done. No turn. How do you know that you're not turned?
Speaker 2: I can see my shoulders haven't turned.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And my right elbow's bent.
Speaker 1: Bingo. So that's your first, that's the easiest way to check.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting it away.
Speaker 1: You don't need to get it away, you just need to not do anything with your arms.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But your left arm is swinging around your chest.
Speaker 2: Right. Right, I'm not turning.
Speaker 1: So we can see the logo on your sweater is going to disappear when the right arm bends.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, with no turn we have no power.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, now that right arm's really narrow and collapsed. So, you got a narrow golf swing.
Speaker 2: I made a full turn at the end there.
Speaker 1: You start to get close, I can still see the right shoulder on this side of your head and I want to see it on this side? But you won't get there loading up your arms like that, right? You know all that stuff. You can see your right arm is starting to get above your left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pulling my arm up, my shoulder up.
Speaker 1: Well you're trying to get some leverage, right? So as you start to pick your arm up you're like 'at least I fell like I've got something, right?'
Speaker 2: Something to hit it with.
Speaker 1: Exactly. But that doesn't usually end very well. Then coming down because you didn't really load up your body. Your lower body is pretty much taking a nap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And your hip actually slides a little bit to the right, you see that?
Speaker 2: Well it has to move a little to the right, doesn't it?
Speaker 1: It should look like it never moves.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: But it does have to physically move.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But see that?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I see that little bump to the right.
Speaker 1: Exactly, right? Now this is how you get into a little bit of a baby reverse pivot.
Speaker 2: I see that.
Speaker 1: And so now you're a baseball player getting ready to throw a ball like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. My weight's going back. Yeah, I can see I'm curving like that.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. So then from there we got to do something to try to get some power but we don't have much. The wrists are really rigid right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I throw the club head.
Speaker 1: Exactly. So first things first, it's all about getting you loaded up powerfully with your body going back, instead of just trying to pick the club up with your arms and shoulders. And then we'll start worrying about lag and all that stuff. It's going to be easy to fix all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Easy for you to say.
Speaker 1: No problem. Now let's look at just a quick gander down the line. Posture wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my lower back is curved, I see that.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of hunching up here in your upper back, in your thoracic. Not bad, but it's enough that when you're like this, your arms get disconnected-
Speaker 2: I'm out of the box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So when your shoulder blades are protracted, your arms get to move really independent. Lower body, we will work on that a little bit as well.
Speaker 2: Inside, look at that.
Speaker 1: Right? So the first thing that happens is you fold your right wrist, look how much flexion is in your right wrist, and deviation of left, and then the right wrist is hinged. Club goes inside, right?
Speaker 2: I gotta come up over
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're done from here. There's not much we can do.
Speaker 2: And look how far behind me.
Speaker 1: Very deep. So your hands need to be over here, right? So we have no leverage. That's why you're feeling that you need to pick your right arm up, you need to, cause otherwise you got nothing. So then as you come down, our lower body doesn't really get to do much to help out. Club's coming in way open and from the inside and then you got to try to save it at the bottom. Which you do a great job with, you got good hand eye coordination to time it. But there's just not a lot to put into it.
Speaker 1: So now we know the problem, what's the cure? So the first thing we gotta do is get you rotating to get the feeling of your body moving that club and not your arms and hands. Cause right now that's a death move for you. The last thing you want to do is practice with this, cause that will just get you fixated on what that's doing. Arm across your chest, go ahead and get in your posture. Feel pretty balanced there?
Speaker 2: Not too bad.
Speaker 1: Just checking. I want you to have some feelings. I want you to be able to withstand me pushing you from any direction.
Speaker 2: I'm not on my toes, I'm not moving anywhere.
Speaker 1: You look pretty decent there. Now, all I want you to do is I want you to feel that you're going to rotate from your obliques and engage the back, watch your head. Rotate your rib cage. Boom. Perfect. Now that, I can see your right shoulder blade easily on the right side of your head. You've made a huge turn here with no problems what so ever and we're starting to get some load.
Speaker 1: Now one other little trick I want to do. I want you to squat down on your right. There you go. Just to feel the glute and hamstring engage. This is a little bit of an exaggeration, but this is what I want you to feel at the top.
Speaker 2: Oh I feel it.
Speaker 1: Now we got a golf string. Now from there, left, now don't turn your shoulders, just your hip, and pivot. Post up on that left leg, push it in the ground nice and flat. There. And you're done. That's the whole golf swing. Done. No more. Your shoulders don't turn, just your hips coming down. Perfect.
Speaker 1: So now the muscles you're gonna use to authoritatively get you back to the left are the ones I want you to feel loaded when you go back. So your obliques, your glutes, your hamstrings.
Speaker 2: I feel a little in the left hip too like I need to internally rotate to get back to that side. Pull myself over.
Speaker 1: You need your left leg to internally rotate?
Speaker 2: No, the hip.
Speaker 1: Oh the hip. Gotcha.
Speaker 2: The hip internally rotating pulls me over.
Speaker 1: Exactly. There you go. Good. Perfect. Nice big turn. Now do it again. There you go. Keep this knee.
Speaker 1: Now I want you to imagine that this knee is pointing right here at this ball and it's going to feel like it stays there the whole time. It'll rotate a little bit that's okay, but I want you to feel like it's pointing there. There you go. As you internally rotate on that.
Speaker 2: It's got five degrees of rotation.
Speaker 1: There you go. Good.
Speaker 2: My trouble is when I have the club in my hands, I feel like my right shoulder pronates when I come back here.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: If I do this I feel I get my club too far behind so I end up pronating the shoulder to keep it in front of me.
Speaker 1: Exactly. What's your first move as you go back? Burying your club in here your arm has to do that in order to get into a position where it's not going to come out of shoulder socket. So what we're going to do, we're not worried about the arms yet. That's the problem. Don't worry about that. You need to worry about this. There you go. Nice huge turn. Hips coming down. Post up on that leg. I want you to get that left knee straight and push that foot in the ground. You don't have to obviously hyper extend the knee to push it into the ground, so that you create some stability and I want you to contract your glutes when you get into impact, you post. There you go. Good.
Speaker 1: What do you feel on your lower body right now compared to what you normally feel?
Speaker 2: I feel it's alive.
Speaker 1: It's alive.
Speaker 2: The swing showed me like this.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Right? This is where everybody goes wrong. This is the whole reason that they whole Five Step system is weight shift core rotation. I don't give a crap about any of the other stuff that people until this is right. This is the engine, this is everything, right. This is the whole motor of everything you're doing. There you go. Legs. Good. There you go.
Speaker 1: Now, put your left arm out. Same thing. Don't swing your left arm turn your body. There you go. Good. Now you can let it as you start to begin to rotate, let your arm kind of swing up by the momentum that's created by your rotation. There you go. Perfect. Just like that. Again. I'm just watching from down the line to see how high your arm gets.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Now look how much more leverage you have here versus way down here where you are. Good.
Speaker 2: I'm still moving my head.
Speaker 1: That's okay. I can grab a hold of it all day.
Speaker 2: Have something in common with Nicklaus.
Speaker 1: Legs. Are you feeling your glutes now?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not as much as you were. I want you to get aggressive pushing that left leg, contracting those glutes, straightening that left knee. There you go. Straighten the knee. So don't let it move past neutral about the ankle, see you're letting it go here. Yeah. I want that foot flat. So the knee is not gonna move that far it's just right there, back to neutral. And then you post up and pivot on the hip. There you go. And push up like you just did. Good.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid to stand up almost I'm gonna lose my spine angle.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna worry about it. The only way you're gonna lose your spine angle, if anything now your head is actually going down, is if you push off the right side.
Speaker 2: I'm trying not to do that.
Speaker 1: It can help, obviously, but when you use the left, post up on this one right there. Good. Right there. So your knee never goes past that point. There you go. Good. Good. Keep doing that.
Speaker 1: Okay all the way back. There you go. Right shoulder blade on this side of your head. Perfect. Lower body. Post up. Good.
Speaker 2: Oh that wasn't good.
Speaker 1: Good. Now, take the club upside down and the same thing. See if we can get those hands up where they are supposed to be. Perfect. When you're bringing the club down, don't worry about bringing the club, I want you to focus on posting up on that left leg, contracting your glutes, stabilize and impact. Good. Let's take a quick look at that.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Little higher. Better turn. Better turn.
Speaker 1: Perfect. It's exactly where you want your hands.
Speaker 2: Okay. Above the right shoulder?
Speaker 1: Yep. Just right over the right shoulder. It can be a little bit deeper. Once we get the right hand on there it will tweak a little bit. Now watch your lower body a little bit though.
Speaker 2: It's asleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Gotta start it.
Speaker 1: Exactly. So once we got your arm and club in there, just your lower body started getting soft. I want it to feel awake and alive again. Nice turn. Again. Beautiful. All the way back. Yeah. Let's take a quick look. No point in practicing unless we know for sure we're doing the right thing. That's a turn. How old are you know?
Speaker 2: 72
Speaker 1: 72 and you can turn as big as any tour pro on the planet but you chose to only turn half that far before. Cause you were just using your arms. There's a reason that all these tour pros look like this at the top, right? They're just winding up that engine. And now you've got it.
Speaker 2: Call me Tiger.
Speaker 1: Now that's a good transition too. Look at how much your lower body, look at your left side leading that. Your shoulders are chilling out, look at all the lag you've got now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's no ball there.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. We gotta start here, right? This is great. Beautiful downswing. Perfect. Post up. I wanna see that left leg stop moving now once the club's parallel to the ground and just release the club and you did it perfectly. That's the whole kit and caboodle. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Alright, so we're there. This is the whole part where everybody goes wrong. They go from the parking lot learning how to drive a clutch to the Indy 500 the next day. And they skip every single step in between. We're not gonna do that. I'm not going to let you do that. So flip the club right side up. And do the same thing. Left hand only. Choke up on it a little bit cause it's harder left hand only. Big turn, feel your lower body wake up. I want you to feel that right knee, remember, staying kinda pointing more at the ball as you go back. Feel it anchored to the ground. There you go.
Speaker 1: So you've got to internally rotate on that leg and so your pant seam is gonna crease a little bit. There you go. That's gonna help you get back to the left a lot quicker with some speed. There you go. 72 year old with more swing speed than I've got. Alright. Look at that. That's a golf swing.
Speaker 2: Again, there's no ball there.
Speaker 1: We gotta start here.
Speaker 2: Listen, I understand, it's in my head. See I can do it. As I've said, I've looked at myself in the mirror and I can make a full turn. But with the ball there it all changes.
Speaker 1: Again, the whole trick to this is the incremental steps. They didn't let you cut on people the first day, right?
Speaker 2: No Heaven forbid.
Speaker 1: Little bit of liability involved there. Same thing here.
Speaker 2: Even if they started now, I would never do it. We start on dogs. I could never do that. I have a dog that's the love of my life.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Briar's our family. He's our mascot now.
Speaker 2: I have a soft coated wheaten.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. No cutting on our dog.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: But here's a simple trick for this stuff. When you go to hit balls, everybody goes from like I said, zero miles an hour to 100 full swing, full speed, with full balls. My favorite way to trick your brain into getting you to agree to what we're doing new is foam balls. Go get the foam balls online whatever. Hit them into the side of your house or a net-
Speaker 2: Oh I've got paddocks I could hit-
Speaker 1: Perfect. So you've got plenty of land.
Speaker 2: I've got six acres.
Speaker 1: Hit these foam balls doing left arm only cause it will teach you to swing and you don't care what's going on with the ball, cause you're feeling your body now. Once you feel like you can do that and you see it on video you can do the foam ball perfectly, go to wiffle balls. Little plastic ones.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: When you go to wiffle balls now you're getting the click -
Speaker 2: And a little feel.
Speaker 1: And a little bit of feel. And then you go up to a golf ball.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: And that might take you a week and it might take you a month but it doesn't matter. But the trick is, if you go through the incremental process it's how you learn. So we learned everything. I can't teach you how to play the guitar and teach you to start on Beethoven, it doesn't make any sense. This is Beethoven, is hitting that ball. But we're gonna start with Mary Had A Little Lamb. Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay
Speaker 1: So that's what we're trying to do right now.
Speaker 1: Right leg loaded up, internally rotate on that leg. Keep that right knee pointed at the ball. There. Do you feel that it's easier to get back to the left when you do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Otherwise I'm almost getting the weight to the outside of the right foot and then I'm dead.
Speaker 1: You're dead. Exactly. There's no way to get back. So I want you to think that that right leg stays anchored in and you internally rotate on it. Pivot on it. Feel that right glute and then come down. Beautiful. Big turn. Perfect. Not so hard with the arm just let it release nice and relaxed.
Speaker 1: So do one more thing for me, as you're coming down you're wanting to open up a little bit and starting to pull the arm out across. Normally right now you come way from the inside so its a little different feel for you. But as you shift I want you to let your arm fall down, keep shifting and getting posted up, so it comes more from the inside when you're doing left hand only. If you go to the top and you just start trying to yank it down, then you're gonna miss the whole point. You're still gonna cast the club.
Speaker 2: You want it like here?
Speaker 1: Yep. Exactly. It's gonna fall down essentially. Cause all you're really worried about is not bringing that club down with your arms, but what are you focused on?
Speaker 2: I'm focusing on keeping this alive.
Speaker 1: Yep. What's your key in the downswing? Not pulling the club down. What is the one thing you've gotta really keep-
Speaker 2: Turn. Shift your weight.
Speaker 1: Shift your weight, right? It's the number one thing. Shift and post up on that left leg and then worry about the golf club. There you go. Perfect. Big turn your didn't finish your turn. There you go. Don't get lazy with it.
Speaker 2: That was lazy.
Speaker 1: That was lazy. That's right. There you go. You've got to give yourself time to finish that turn. Awesome. Right hand. We're gonna let it learn to play nicely Fingertips only. Literally just touch the club like that with your right hand. Yep. No exaggeration. Let the right hand come off before you get into impact. Your right hand is doing literally nothing right now. You're still focused on turning, posting up. Watch that right knee. We got three things, right knee anchored in, shoulder blade going back, good turn, post up on the left. Perfect. Awesome.
Speaker 2: I still feel my right hand wants to push the club.
Speaker 1: It's okay. This is normal. The important thing is that you recognize that.
Speaker 2: No I know but it's tough for me to stop it.
Speaker 1: When I went through this, it took me three months to stop overusing the right. Now, the right has a job to do, it's very, very important, but I had to get myself out of that habit of wanting to push really hard with the right at the wrong time. And what I did, I finally got to the point when I knew I had it. As I set up to the ball, and I was playing in a tournament, true story, playing in a tournament and I set up to the ball and I started take the club back and I never had my right hand on the club. I literally had it sitting by my pocket.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And my buddy started laughing at me, like what on Earth are you doing? And I'm like, I don't know. I guess I've really got it. My left side's kicking in now. But it took me three months to get to that point.
Speaker 2: The only way I can do it is if I keep my right shoulder back.
Speaker 1: There's a video called, "Keep The Rear Shoulder Back."
Speaker 2: And I remember on one of the videos you said keep your back to the target-
Speaker 1: [crosstalk 00:23:58] As long as you can.
Speaker 2: As long as physically possible.
Speaker 1: That's what's it's gonna feel like to you. The last thing you want to do is open up. When you do this right, you're gonna feel like your shoulders are pointing over there and you're gonna hit it over there. That's when you do it right. It's gonna feel like you're 30 to 40 degrees right of the target. There you go. Don't yank the arm down let it stay relaxed. It's not your arm pulling down that creates the speed.
Speaker 2: It's the body.
Speaker 1: It's the body and the wrists working together.
Speaker 2: Relaxed wrist allows it to get faster.
Speaker 1: Exactly. There you go.
Speaker 1: Everybody goes through the same thing.
Speaker 2: If I just don't use my right arm I think I make a better swing then if I try to keep it on it.
Speaker 1: This is what separates the pros from the armatures. Is they know how to use their body and their lead side to control and swing the golf club. Problem is, how long have you been playing golf?
Speaker 2: Too long. 30 years.
Speaker 1: And you're right handed I assume?
Speaker 2: Right. Right. I do everything with my right hand.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I'm the same way. My left hand I can literally do nothing in life with my left. I couldn't cut my steak, I could barely use my mouse-
Speaker 2: [crosstalk 00:25:08] No I couldn't either.
Speaker 1: But I can it a golf ball. But it took me three months to get to the point where I'm like, okay, I gotta hit balls left handed only for three months and that's what I did.
Speaker 1: Don't get lazy on your turn. There. Do that again, go to the top and stop. Left hand only. Bring your right hand up to support it. This is where your right arm goes, not this.
Speaker 2: It's gotta be here.
Speaker 1: So go left arm only. Go to the top and stop. Finish your turn. Good. Bring your right hand up to support it. There. See how your right hand when you're thinking about supporting this left arm it just goes right underneath. Ant that's all it's job is, is to keep this thing from falling over here because it's heavy with the left hand. Then you can come down from there. Now don't even worry about your right arm, just all body, right? Shift and post up. Let the club go wherever it goes. There you go.
Speaker 1: I want you to go left arm only to the top. Stop. There. Now come down. Again. I'm gonna make one little correction here go to the top again and stop. Finish your turn. Do it again. There you go. Now relax this right arm. Relax it.
Speaker 2: Feel very tight.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. That's why you want to use it, right? You're loading this up and you're telling your brain hey, I've got a lot of tension here, let's get rid of it. Let's do it again. Left arm only. Top and stop. Now relax. I don't want to see [inaudible 00:26:48] -
Speaker 2: [crosstalk 00:26:52] It always wants to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Go to the top and stop again. Left hand only. Finish your turn. There. This should be feeling like it's totally passive right now.
Speaker 2: This feels like it's externally rotating there.
Speaker 1: It should feel like it's doing nothing. Go left. There.
Speaker 1: That's it your right arm's done. How hard is that. It's just a mental trick to feel like you don't have to load it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what I am doing is I get to the top, I load it up, cause I'm so used to.
Speaker 1: That's what I showed you. When you got here, you were like this.
Speaker 2: I was already loading it up.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Left arm only to the top. Stop. You went like this again. There you go. You're still picking it up.
Speaker 2: Change like that.
Speaker 1: Left arm only going back. Left arm only. Finish your turn. Stop. There. Now come down. Very good. The right arm, I like to think of it like this. Have you ever built a deck before? I'm sure you've built a bunch of stuff on your farm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you got a 4x4 post in the corner, and the you've got a cross brace. The 4x4 post, that's your left arm. This is just there as a cross brace. You go to the top, it's just there for support. That's it. You're using it there for power and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I understand, I understand but like I said you do it a half a million times for power and it doesn't change like that.
Speaker 1: That's why you have to go left arm only, left arm only.
Speaker 2: I understand. I understand. We're gonna have to do it.
Speaker 1: You gotta do it. Finish your turn. Watch your right leg, I want the right knee. Yeah. So you have a tendency to get sloppy and let that right leg externally rotate and stop.
Speaker 2: [crosstalk 00:28:41] I have a tendency I know I used to do more of this. I try not to do that no.
Speaker 1: There you go. Now bring the right hand up just to support and then let it come off half way down. There you go. Good. Now keep your shoulders closed and we got that. There you go. Good.
Speaker 1: Stop. I'm gonna stop you every time you do that. There you go. Can't consistently get that in the right spot.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm better off just leaving the right hand up here.
Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna feel like. Exactly.
Speaker 2: If I'm here and I'm here. Cause I leave it up there, I keep my back also turned to the target.
Speaker 1: Exactly. The reason that you open your shoulders is cause this right side's pushing it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It opens everything up.
Speaker 2: Cause the right side wants to power it.
Speaker 1: So the earlier you can let go with your right hand when you're practicing this new move, the better. Cause you're just going to learn you don't need it there. You can here there's tons of speed there, right?
Speaker 2: Well I hear the woosh.
Speaker 1: Well there's speed there, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So your brain should start to slowly be like there's speed there. I just don't know how to use it, I don't trust it. It doesn't feel right. But you have 10 times more lag than you had before. That's what I want to show you next.
Speaker 1: So left arm only again.
Speaker 2: I remember one of the things you suggested I think was to start here and you get tons of lag. If you leave the club here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. That's too much lag, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah that's too much lag.
Speaker 1: So just do the drill. We're gonna make a big turn. We're gonna get that right knee anchored in. Again. Alright. Let's take a look and see if we have any lag.
Speaker 1: Nice big turn. Lower body looks a lot better. It didn't do that little bump out to the right.
Speaker 2: Knee's a little out.
Speaker 1: A little bit but that's not bad though. That's good. I'll take that. I'm happy with that. Then as we come down.
Speaker 2: My heads not looking the right way.
Speaker 1: That's way too much lag. That's way too much. What are you going to do with that? You'll never get rid of that. That's Sergio-esque lag.
Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to keep my left wrist loose.
Speaker 1: Good. It's what you should do. Look at how much lag you've got there. That's way too much. And this is where speed starts coming from. Once you start learning that this doesn't feel like any work, per say, compared to what you were doing before.
Speaker 2: It feels like less work.
Speaker 1: It feels like less work, right? But the trick is you've got to get your brain to get over this mind trick. Because as soon as you put a ball there, you're like no that's a hard ball and I want to crush it.
Speaker 2: I gotta crush it, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's a death move in the golf swing when you start doing that. So let me borrow your club for a second. Here's how you start practicing. Again, when you go home, foam balls, wiffle balls, baby steps, right? 9 to 3 drills. So we're just going to go baby steps, halfway back. Release. I don't care where the ball goes I'm not even looking at it. I'm just staying here. As you keep going through this you're gonna make that drill bigger and bigger left hand only. But you might only hit whatever that went 40 or 50 yards or whatever. That's where you should start.
Speaker 2: But it's solid.
Speaker 1: But again, you'll get solid contact from doing these little things right. And then you're gonna start working up to what we're doing. Go to the top, stop, put your right hand on there underneath, come down, release and hit balls like that. And again, don't worry about where they go or the contact or any of that stuff. You're just going to slowly start getting comfortable with that. But if you do that hitting foam balls, here top stop, and just let the club release. Then you'll be able to do it with a real ball as well. Go to the top, stop, release. And the ball will go where you want it to. You don't need your right hand on there to do all this stuff you're doing. Once you get comfortable with it where you've got the feeling and the sequence and it looks like what we're doing on video right now with the ball there, that's when you start keeping the right hand on there longer and longer. So eventually when you keep doing that you can keep them both on there and that ball will go, wherever that went. Pretty far. 100 yards.
Speaker 2: Nice seven iron.
Speaker 1: 200 and cold. I'll take it.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's the one length.
Speaker 1: Oh, is it really? Felt great.
Speaker 2: I know you don't like one length.
Speaker 1: I just don't like them with the longer irons.
Speaker 2: Well the longest I have is a five. And then I go to utility type club.
Speaker 1: That had good height on it for a seven iron. That's was fine.
Speaker 2: I just think from a scientific point of view if you have the same length, the same stance, the same swing weight it takes variables out of the swing-
Speaker 1: I agree 100 percent. We tried to manufacture our own. The problem is the head weights. You can't get the head weights heavy enough so we are ordering them from China, so when you get a golf head, it's a forged head, it comes all as a big block. So you just grind the weight off to get the finished weight you're looking for. So we were just going to grind less and less weight off the longer clubs so we could get the shaft to flex. And we just never got it right. And then it was right when the economy crashed and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I read a lot of reviews, I could have you hit the five iron and you could see, but I read a lot of reviews on these clubs and people said that they were hitting them just as far. What they did to the face and how they distributed the weight and how they changed the shaft flex a little bit they were able to do that. So if that's the case I might try it.
Speaker 1: No, for sure. Like I said this was 10, 11 years ago that we were going to do this and we couldn't get it to work right and it was going to be too expensive and all that stuff. But anyway.
Speaker 2: You have a video about how every half inch you lose so many miles per hour, etc. So logically you'd say the longer clubs aren't going to go as far.
Speaker 1: For me I went all the way to a three iron and we were putting a bunch of weight in the hosel and a bunch of lead in the back to see if we could get the shaft to flex enough. We tried 50 different shafts and different kick points.
Speaker 2: The problem with the one like [inaudible 00:34:57] when you hold the nine iron in your hand and it feels funny. So that takes a little bit of ear. It's the same swing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. It's tough. But that actually felt really good for whatever it is. There. Come down, nice and easy. There you go.
Speaker 1: There you go. Not so hard with the left arm. I didn't swing that hard. It's your baby swing. You gotta let that left arm relax and fall. There you go. Everybody's goal is an effortless golf swing. Right?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Well if you want to make an effortless golf swing you can't be putting any effort into it. You're coming down and ripping that arm.
Speaker 2: That's another thing. It's even with the left and I'm still pulling down.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Just let it chill out. Just let it relax. Let it unwind in its own time. There you go. Post up on that let. That's the important thing. Get that left leg anchored to the ground and smash that left foot into the ground. There you go. Oh a little speed there. You hear the difference in the sound?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Still yanking it. Instead of yanking it, open it up. You've gotta keep this shoulder shot. Remember your shoulders are gonna feel like they're pointing over there at these trees on the right. There you go. Now you're coming across. Hold on.
Speaker 1: When I'm saying coming across, you're starting to open up and pull the arm. So it's going diagonally across the line. So go to the top again. Shift. I caught it. So what you did there, when I said shift, you went like this. Whole body. Lower body shift. There. That's what drops the club down, but you gotta let it fall and then release. And you're gonna swear you're gonna hit over there, okay? Shift your hips. Keep your head back. Still across. So again, feel more out this way for what you're doing with this drill.
Speaker 2: When you say I'm coming across, am I coming across this way?
Speaker 1: You're coming across, yes exactly. It's because this is opening up and pulling. Now so if I go to the top, and I just yank my arm down, it's going to go across.
Speaker 2: I see, so I gotta be more passive with the shoulder.
Speaker 1: Exactly. There you go. You feel like you're swinging the club for now, an exaggeration, out to me. There you go. There you go. So your shoulders are going to feel more shut. And the club's releasing feeling like it's out toward me. There you go. Good. Much better. Better. There you go. Nice and easy.
Speaker 1: Now show me the same swing and only a 9 to 3 left hand only. Turn. There you go. So you're going to get your chest pointing toward the camera halfway back. There you go. So there is very little arm and wrist movement, now the shift. There you go. Relax the hand let the club bottom out. Nice and easy. Post up, lower body. Even in this 9 to 3 swing, your lower body is going to feel just as alive. There you go. Perfect. All lower body. All lower body. There you go starting to get consistent. Soft. You've just got to much leverage for a 9 to 3 exactly. That's too big. There you go. Your 9 to 3 is still more like 1 to 12 o'clock. Your club was right here just now. So, when you're going 9 to 3, relax the hands, go ahead and hold onto it, turn just your body. That's it. That's the whole 9 to 3 that nine o'clock. There you go. Lower body's awake and alive.
Speaker 1: So you're still adding a lot of wrist set that we don't need. It's too hard to get rid of it in time in this little short drill. So the whole point of the 9 to 3 drill is to get your whole body to get to work right from here to here and then worry about the club, right?
Speaker 1: Club's going all the way up to vertical again. There you go. So when you're doing this drill I want you to slow down and I want you to stop halfway back on every single practice swing. Okay. Stop. Stop, look at it. Look how much your wrist is deviating. It was here to dress, then it's all the way here. What does that mean? You moved your wrist.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: During the 9 to 3 drill there is virtually no wrist movement.
Speaker 2: There's no cocking?
Speaker 1: Very little. Very little. There you go. Now lower body before you bring the club down. There that's perfect. Okay stop right there. Good. Just want to check your follow through, your finish, make sure you release it on each swing. Again. Not much rotation. Turn your body. There. There you go. Good. That's where we start hitting balls, there. Don't hit it out of the divot . I don't want to hit it out of there.
Speaker 2: Anyone can hit it out of a divot .
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't turn at all. Nice. Perfect. That last little crisp contact to it.
Speaker 2: Not to bad I even [inaudible 00:41:16]
Speaker 1: Amazing. Isn't that amazing when you do the little fundamentals right?
Speaker 2: Ridiculous. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Looked up.
Speaker 2: I looked up and I did this with my wrist.
Speaker 1: Good you caught it. Good. Back to swing.
Speaker 2: I know what I'm doing wrong, the trouble is stopping it.
Speaker 1: If you're not doing it right you're going too fast. Just slow down. There you go. That's a good takeaway. Turn. Looked up a little bit. One little trick with this 9 to 3 where you made the mistake when you were doing the practice swing. When you come down it's lower body first and then release the club. You brought the club down and then your lower together.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In my real swing I do this too.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And that's what we have to get out of.
Speaker 2: The separation isn't there.
Speaker 1: That's why 9 to 3 is where you learn that. Little baby swings.
Speaker 1: Not that much wrist cock. This is a little baby swing. More like a chip shot. Looked up.
Speaker 2: I looked up when I used my arm too much.
Speaker 1: When I get that 9 to 3 swing did you notice where my head was looking after I hit the ball?
Speaker 2: Down at the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have no idea where that ball went but I bet it went pretty straight.
Speaker 2: It did. It went perfectly straight.
Speaker 1: But I never looked at it. You keep your head down here. Lot of wrist action. Close. What did you do wrong?
Speaker 2: I used my arm, I didn't turn my lower body.
Speaker 1: You didn't do anything with your lower body.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My lower body was dead.
Speaker 1: Okay, good. All lower body coming down. Good. Much better with the lower body. Now one little tweak we need to make here still. You're standing way too close to the ball. Give yourself some room. Where are you looking. There must be a pretty girl out there or something. I'm gonna tell your wife. Head down here. Right here, looking at this second ball. Okay. Close. A little armsy and wristy.
Speaker 2: Armsy and wristy. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another focal point keep looking at the second ball after you hit it. Quiet with the wrists and arms. Too fast with the arms. So you added a wrist cock in there, right?
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: One other mistake that you're making, when you make a mistake after hitting that shot, you're very good at diagnosing what you did. You know what you did wrong.
Speaker 2: I know what I did wrong.
Speaker 1: But then you don't take the proper corrective steps, which is what? Practice swings. Getting it right. Too much rotation of your wrist. It's not this. It's this. Look how little the club moves.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: I'm still not turning.
Speaker 1: Exactly. There you go. Turn your logo. Perfect. Soft wrist. Where are you looking? Everything in the golf swing starts with this 9 to 3 drill. If you do this right then the rest of it's a piece of cake. But if you can't do it right, you just keep going slow. I don't care if you hit it right here, just do the drill right. Move your body correctly. Closer. What did you feel that time?
Speaker 2: I had too much arm.
Speaker 1: Exactly. So slow it down even more. Turn your body. That's a lot of wrist action. There you go. Close.
Speaker 2: A little arm there.
Speaker 1: It was it's getting better. The more you slow down the closer you get. Close. Did you feel a little bit of stab at it at the bottom. This is where that foam ball will really help.
Speaker 2: For some reason I have this feeling that I have to do something.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: That just turning isn't enough. This, when there's nothing there, I don't get that.
Speaker 1: Part of that is cause you're standing too close. Because when you stand really close and you have your hand like this you have to make some sort of compensation to keep from sticking the club in the ground. Give yourself some room. Almost. Now what did you feel that time?
Speaker 2: I pulled my arm down.
Speaker 1: This is why didn't want you doing that when you were going full swing. This is gonna chill out. So go back. Let's do this again. Relax this. Turn. Lower body. That's as far as the ball is ever going to go because there's not enough momentum unless you pull it which we don't want to do. Good.
Speaker 2: I fell I have to add some power and you're telling me I should hit it five feet.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: There shouldn't need to add any power here.
Speaker 1: There's no power here. None.
Speaker 2: When I hit it five feet.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's as fast as you need to swing. Okay. Stop. Why are you looking there.
Speaker 2: I looked down. I looked at it.
Speaker 1: Slow it down. There you go. Nice and slow. Lower body. Now you're bringing the club down before you get posted up. There you go. Keep your head down here. Good. Wrist. Let me borrow the club for a second. I want to show you what we're doing here. You can stay right there.
Speaker 2: I know I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Right.
Speaker 2: I know I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: Here. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I know I'm doing it and I'm just ruining the path of the club. I'm not allowing it to do what it would do by itself.
Speaker 1: There is no way I cannot hit the ball from here. I topped it. There is no way anyone can do that consistently. Instead, if I go, turn, what did my wrist do, I still have the angle that I had in the grip. And I have very little wrist cock. Just enough where it doesn't feel awkwardly heavy. So it's just, turn.
Speaker 2: Does it work.
Speaker 1: But that's the whole key. To get your whole body to move the club. But you want to rotate and set. It's not anything with my wrist. It's rotating my body and release.
Speaker 2: I feel like I wanna keep the wrist loose but maybe I just-
Speaker 1: There's a balance between being sloppy and having control. That's a lot of wrist rotation. There, none. You can have a little bit, just enough to get a toe up. But it's going to be exactly where you started. Turn your body. The body moved your club. Not your arms and wrist. The body did. There you go. Easy to come down from there.
Speaker 2: Easy for you to say.
Speaker 1: A caveman could do it. You've got this.
Speaker 2: Easy for you to say.
Speaker 1: Good. Much better going back, but then coming down we didn't use our lower body. But otherwise the backswing. And when you're doing this stuff, if you can't juggle all three of those that's perfectly okay just focus on this one. It's getting right going back. Okay. Good going back. Much better.
Speaker 2: Looked.
Speaker 1: But you looked, right?
Speaker 2: Make a case for beautiful shots.
Speaker 1: Good. Much better going back. Close. Little armsy, right?
Speaker 2: Little armsy. No question.
Speaker 1: Close. Don't look out there. Nothing to see out there.
Speaker 1: Not bad. You did great staying down which was why you hit it well. Going back you had a lot of wrist cock. So the club was almost vertical again. But, you kept your head down which gave you a good shot at least. That's progress. Close. A little armsy. Little quick with the arms.
Speaker 2: I know it's armsy.
Speaker 1: The feeling here is almost like letting the club fall on the back of the ball instead of trying to hit at it. Yeah. Closer. You just tried to pull your hand through. Relax that arm. Relax that shoulder and let the club fall on the back of the ball. Just trust. Lower body. Get posted up coming down. Look at your right heel. What's that doing up in the air? That's a hundred bucks. Show me a practice swing. You haven't made any practice swings so you can't correct anything by hitting a ball. The ball is what's causing you to miss it. So if you can do the drills right then we worry about hitting the ball. That's better. Your brain should be all right down here in your lower body right now. You shouldn't even be able to think about the golf ball.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you're making the same mistakes over and over again. So let me show you what we did. You went like this. Lots of wrist cock, lots of rotation. When do you do this, if you keep doing the same mistake over and over again, it means one thing and one thing only. You're going too fast. If you can't do it right, you have to just keep slowing down and slowing down and slowing down.
Speaker 2: Til I do it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not joking when I say literally hit it three feet. So if that means going here, stopping, checking everything. Did I turn? Is my knee doing this, whatever that's fine. Come down, post up first, that's perfect. That's a great result because now I can check everything. But everybody makes the same mistake of just keep going and doing the same thing over and over again without correcting it, you have to correct it in practice swings and then you go slower and slower til you do it right hitting the ball. Nope. That's not right. That was this. No wrist. Turn your body. Done. See how simple that move is?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's too simple.
Speaker 1: It's too simple that's right.
Speaker 2: It's too simple.
Speaker 1: You're fighting this, cause you're too smart for your own good.
Speaker 2: No, it's too simple.
Speaker 1: There you go, nice and slow. Go back, stop. Good. Shift and stop. Don't look out there but go even slower. Turn and stop. Shift and stop. Drop the club on the ball. Perfect. There we go. One. We got 2,999 to go. Shift and stop. Good. Shift. Awesome. All you do is you start making these pauses a little bit slower or a little shorter and a littler shorter. Club went way inside cause you did this with your wrist. There you go. Quit, don't look out there. You're learning. This is what learning looks like. It's slow and clumsy and cumbersome at times. Good. Good. Better. Now we can start checking stuff. This is what learning looks like. Good. Perfect. Progress.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I took a lesson from Chuck Quinton and he got me to hit the ball three feet.
Speaker 1: At least you're hitting it consistent. There you go. Don't look out there.
Speaker 2: Got me to hit it three feet.
Speaker 1: Come on that went at least ten yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah right.
Speaker 1: That's 30 feet. That's a huge improvement. Not your wrist.
Speaker 2: No, I know. I'm educable. Not much.