Coming Too Far From the Inside

By Chuck Quinton, Master RST InstructorFULL BIO

too far from the inside

When a golfer starts coming too far from the inside and under the plane, a multitude of bad shots are the result that can turn a day at the course into a drudgery of "Army Golf" - left, right, left, right.

Three shots are typically the result - the push, the snap hook and the dreaded shank.

All three of these shots are extremely closely related and are typically considered a "better" player's miss because this more "advanced" golfer has learned to approach the ball from the inside.

However, tell a better player that his big snap hook is a because he's such a good player and I can assure you he won't agree.

Unfortunately, this fault in the golf swing is caused by a multitude of good things happening in the swing, but that are often overdone or not quite done correctly.

But specifically, in this article I'm going to discuss some terrible golf swing advice for the Rotary Swing that you've no doubt heard a million times from an instructor or friend with good intentions.

The saying that will destry the rotary motion: "Extend your arms down the target line," or "Shake hands with the target." This is absolutely HORRIBLE advice for the Rotary Swinger and in this video, I'm going to show you exactly why.

Because of the flatter nature of the Rotary Swing plane, there is already a tendency for the golfer to attack the ball too much from the inside.

For those of you who have sliced your entire life and have all of sudden found yourselves hitting a draw for the first time, this is welcome relief!

But, as you progress and begin to add more power to your golf swing, you'll no doubt begin to find those nice little soft draws turn into devastating snap hooks and apart from a shank, there is no more terrifying shot in golf for the better player.

If you have already found yourself hitting hooks or big blocked shots, heeding the advice of extending your arms down the target line will add one more shot to your arsenal - a shank. But why?

The simple answer is that you are obviously already coming too far from the inside and need to get the club working back to the left after impact in order to get the club to work on an arc, taking the hosel out of play.

Feeling as if you are extending your arms down the target line or feeling as if the club "works down the line" longer will exasperrate your swing fault and cause you to have a severe in to out path.

In this video, I discuss and demonstrate how to get the club working back around to the left through understanding how the left arm remains connected to the upper torso and must be allowed to FOLD, that's right FOLD - not extend, in order to get the club working properly on plane and on the proper arc.

At first, this will feel as if you have a very narrow arc and are hitting a fade through the impact area if you are used to releasing down the line and then flipping your hands to square the face.

But fear not, this tight arc is the proper feeling and, in fact, is a MUST for the better player to control the plane and path of the golf club.

You will see many of the drills come to new life after watching this video.

The Bucket Drill, the One Legged Drill, the Half Shots Drill and many others will begin to take on new meaning as you finally begin to understand what causes these awful hooks, blocks and shanks and you will finally understand the simple cure to fix all the problems once and for all! Keep in mind, this is only for golfers who tend to come too much from the inside.

If your divots are steep and already pointing left, this video is NOT FOR YOU!

 
 

Checkpoints for Practice

  • Some golfers bring the club down too far to the inside and end up swinging in to out through impact
  • You can adjust the club face to compensate, but ideally you want to come down on the forearm plane, square into impact
  • If you have this problem, get a good transition then visualize driving the right shoulder over the left big toe
  • Focus on getting a good weight shift, then keep the arms passive and you'll come down right on plane
  • Keep the left arm connected to the chest through impact and allow it to fold
  • Be careful not to stand up out of the shot or get your hands too far in front of the ball

Video Transcription: Coming Too Far From the Inside

We're talking about an interesting concept today, and it's something that the average golfer doesn't struggle with, or that they strive to struggle with.

That is, coming too far from the inside at impact. Let's first define what that is, exactly. If I were to put a ball this way and look down the line, you can imagine that this is my imaginary target line - basically straight and down. You can almost see that this would be my target line. That's where I'd be trying to send the ball.

If I were to swing, to bring the club down and bring this club - now you can see it's underneath my forearm; it's coming in, this is what we would call too far from the inside or underneath the plane. As I come through, my club is actually approaching the ball from too in to out of an angle, or too far from the inside, so I would actually swing out to the right of the target line.

Coming down too far from insideComing down under the forearm (left), too far inside (center), in to out at impact (right)

Now, we know one of the key concepts in the Rotary Swing is swinging left. This is important, to bring the club back out in front of you, but we're going to talk more in detail about that.

Basically, if I'm swinging too far in to out, I can push the ball well right of the target. I can flip my hands over and send it sailing left of the target. It's very easy for me to hit it fat. It's very hard for me to catch it clean, and it's nearly impossible to consistently start the ball off on line.

Believe it or not, you don't have to swing perfectly down on the target line, or perfectly have a square path with a square face to send the ball down the target line, because the club face angle will help you manipulate that.

Coming down on forearm, square at impactComing down on the forearm plane (left), square into impact (right)

You can come a little bit from the inside with a little bit of a shut face, and the ball will actually fly very true. It won't look like it has much curvature on it at all.

But in an ideal world, what we want as we're coming down is we're bringing that club shaft down on that forearm plane, square coming in more on top of the ball. This allows us to catch it clean instead of coming way from the inside. You can see I can hit way fat behind it. It's more on top of the ball, and then immediately moving left.

Right shoulder drives downDriving the right shoulder over the left big toe

The trick is, how does that happen?

One of the key aspects that I talk about, or one of the key swing thoughts I give a lot of golfers in my lessons is taking that right shoulder - this is for a Rotary Swinger - taking that right shoulder and feeling like they're driving it over their left big toe.

Now, if this is overdone - if you don't have a transition - you can see that I could easily bring the shaft out too far out in front of me and I'm actually going to start to come over the top. That's a bad thing, so it's a balance.

You've got to have a good transition, so this is me setting my weight onto my left side. For you guys wondering, "How do I get that shaft down on my right forearm?" this is it. Watch. If I go from here and I set my weight onto my left side and do nothing with my arms, where's that shaft? It's right on my right forearm.

If I don't settle my weight onto my left side and I just rotate, the club's way out above my forearm. This is where a lot of times you guys will find yourself either here where it's too steep, or a little bit above that right forearm.

Compare rotation with & without weight shiftSettling weight on the left (left), versus rotating without shifting (right)

It's simply a matter of not doing anything with your arms, settling into that transition, and the club automatically comes right down on plane, every single time.

I'm settling my hips. From face, on, all that move is, is this. You can see that I didn't really over-use my shoulders or let my head move forward, or over-use my arms. My arms are very passive. Settle in here, and then keep rotating through.

Coming down on plane"Over the top" brings the club down on plane

To get back to this topic, what I want to feel is A, either that as I settle in I start to really feel my right shoulder come over the top feeling. You can see that that brings the club down on plane. That's my shaft plane at impact, and that's the plane I want to bring it down on.

Now I can immediately, if I keep driving that right shoulder through, I can bring the club what we call "back out in front" of us. What that means is, if we look at it from face on, at some point that club has got to get back out here at impact. It has to get back to the ball.

Of course in a Rotary Swing we talk about keeping our arms passive and keeping them back. At some point, they're going to release back out in front of the body. They have to, to make impact.

As we talk about that right shoulder feeling, I settle onto my left side, my arms are soft, and then I'm rotating that right shoulder over. Now the club has been brought back out in front of me. But from this position I can still make a mistake and stand up, and that will shove the club out, down the target line and it won't get it working back to the left.

Left arm connectedThe left arm stays connected to the chest

What I have to do, after that feeling of driving my right shoulder through it, is that my left arm has to stay connected to my chest and be allowed to fold. This is interesting, because a lot of times in conventional golf instruction you're told, "Extend your arms down the target line."

Great advice for somebody else - a two planer or even a Rotary Hitter - not for a Rotary Swinger.

Extending arms down target lineExtending the arms down the target line - don't do this

If you look down the line and I bring this ball back in here, if you were to make a great swing and then think about extending your arms down the target line and shaking hands with the target, notice that that motion has stopped your body rotation so you can no longer turn, and you're extending your hands down the line - you're actually swinging in to out.

For somebody who fades and slices the ball, that can actually be relatively a good feeling, but you have to come from the inside to begin with. Understand that for a Rotary Swinger who's coming too far from the inside, this is just going to make that 10 times worse.

The key here, as I mentioned, is to stick a head cover under your left armpit, or just stuff your shirt under there when you're playing. Feel like your right shoulder is driving through, and then let that left arm start to fold back up.

Keeping that left arm extended is just going to continue to make this problem worse. It's going to get your hands driving farther out, away from your body. You're not going to get your hands allowed to work back left.

Left arm connectedKeep the left arm connected

The greatest way to learn how to do this is with chip shots. If you've watched that low, little spinner chip shot, that's one of the things that happens in that video - that left arm folds back up. It stays connected to my torso the whole time.

See, if this left arm stays out in front of my chest and is never allowed to stay connected and release back around to the left, then that gets that whole in to out motion, where I'm leaning back and I'm shoving the club down the target line. This will also cause shanking.

Here, a little chip shot; my left arm, you can see, is staying connected, and that allows me to rotate better. It allows me to continue rotating through the shot, rather than swing my arm down the line.

The second thing - there are many reasons that cause this in to out motion, and it's impossible to go into all of them at once, but I'm going to go into another one here - that is, looking down the line again, if this is where I was at address...

Standing up into impactStanding up into impact makes club move in to out

Pretty much every Tour pro on the planet, from address to impact, their shaft will be a little bit higher. There's lots of reasons for that.

We won't get into it now, but basically if you get too high above it and you stand up into impact, watch what happens to my club. It's going in to out again. My shaft is going out this way.

When you look at your swing and you see that you have a good posture at address, and then you're here at impact, you're coming way from the inside again. What's actually causing this, apart from you standing up is that your hands are getting too far out in front of the ball.

I posted a little blurb on the Forum showing this because, from face on, this looks like a good impact position, but the truth of the matter is that my shaft is actually higher than it was at address, and that's causing me to come from the inside too much.

Shaft is highShaft is higher than address

This is an exaggeration here, but as it's coming too far from the inside my hands can't get that release back around, let that little left arm fold motion happen, and that's pulling the club back around. If my hands are way out here, I'm coming too far from the inside again.

There's a balance point between having this nice flat left wrist, but letting everything release so that left arm is bending back around.

For a Rotary Hitter, things are a little bit different and we'll talk about that in a separate video, for guys who come too far from the inside.

Know that as you're coming through into impact, that shaft should come into a similar position, but then as long as you let that left arm fold you can see that my path will come back around and I'll have more of a square or slightly in to in path, or even slightly more on top of it, where your divot starts very square and then works pretty immediately to the left.

Keep that connected. Keep that left arm connected to your body. Let it fold and work around. Think of your arms as swinging around your body. That's part of the key of keeping them soft, is that this will naturally happen as long as you keep that headcover in there.

Path comes back aroundThe club's path comes back around to the left

Now, you can rotate really well and then let your headcover fall out - you're going to swing in to out. You're going to have these big, sweeping hooks. If you keep that headcover in and rotate, that's going to keep you connected. It's just a matter of staying connected, doing the fundamentals right, and that will bring the club back around.

It'll feel a little bit more over the top for you, likely, if you're used to disconnecting and coming way from the inside and blocking your hips out to the right. You're going to stay in your posture, get that right shoulder over your left big toe and get that left arm to fold, and you should see that you're coming down more on top of the ball, getting cleaner contact, and your divots are going to be a lot more square. If you see your divots going out to the right, you really need to pay close attention to this video.

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